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Where did the plane hit the Pentagon?

Thursday, September 17th, 2009

from TheWebFairy at NerdCities

You must look at this French site that has an analysis of Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. Here is their English version:
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

And this site is doing 3D simulations:
http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/

The French are pointing out:

  • No photo shows airplane pieces, body parts of passengers, luggage, etc, nor do news reports mention such parts.
  • The initial damage was along the ground floor, which implies the plane hit the ground floor, but there is no airplane-shaped hole in the building. Most importantly, the body of the plane was taller than one floor of the building. Therefore, the body of the plane should have punched a hole through at least two floors.
  • The section that collapsed did so quite a while after the plane crash, just as the WTC buildings collapsed for no apparent reason long after the plane crashes (in the case of building 7, the collapse was many hours later).

Photos of the North and South WTC towers show airplane-shaped holes, so where is the hole in the Pentagon? And where are the airplane pieces, luggage, and dead passengers?

The French site has a top view, so I made this front view to show how large the hole in the Pentagon should be (although I certainly have the scaling slightly incorrect because it is difficult to scale four photos properly). (click the image)The upper portion of the image shows the hole in the North tower. The people in the windows give you an indication of the size of the hole. Of course, the plane that hit the North tower was a 767, which was slightly larger than the 757 in this image.

The wings of a Boeing 757 are 125 feet wide (38 meters); the body is 155 feet long (47m); and each engine is about 9 feet in diameter (2.75m). The plane weighs more than 100 tons.
For 757 specs: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757-200/product.html

A 757 is half the height of the Pentagon

We are told the plane came in low to the ground, which explains the lack of a hole in the upper floors of the building. However, the distance between the bottom of the engines and the top of the cabin is more than 18 feet (5.5m). From the bottom of the engines to the top of the tail is about 41 feet (12.6m). The Pentagon is 77 feet (23 meters) tall. Therefore, the plane was 53% of the height of the Pentagon.
Pentagon specs: http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pentagon/facts.html

Look at the size of the plane in my composite image. In order for the plane to hit only the first floor of the building, the engines would have to be below ground level, and we have to ignore the tail.

Also, the plane was 155 feet (47m) long; the only way such a long plane could slip into the first floor is if it were perfectly horizontal and perfectly level. The slightest tilting would cause it to take out the second floor or dig into the dirt.

Considering there is very busy freeway in front of the crash site, along with road signs, light posts, and trees, how did the plane get so close to the ground? Those Arabs were great pilots!

Jet-fuel fireballs are dark orange!

On 7 March 2002 the Pentagon released five images from a security camera to prove the Arabs flew a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon. Obviously they lied when they said they did not have any video of the plane crash, but now they feel they must release it, probably to counteract that French site.
Here is the video: http://www.msnbc.com/news/720851.asp

Since they lied about the video, can we trust them on other issues? How many times does a person have to lie to you before you question his other remarks?

The image below is a composite of two frames of that lousy, low quality video. There are two odd things to notice in these two frames.

1) In the upper frame there is something white near the extreme right edge. This resembles the exhast of a missile. A 757 does not leave a trail of white smoke.

Whatever is producing the white smoke is hidden behind the rectangular object in the foreground. It would be more useful to see the frames before and after this. What a coincidence that the military decided to release the frame in which this large 757 is hidden behind a small object!

2) In the lower frame the white smoke has dissipated slightly, and whatever produced the white smoke has exploded. It looks as if the explosion started before it hit the building. Also, the fireball from an airplane crash (or an automobile crash) will be dark orange and full of soot. A bright, clean fireball implies plenty of oxygen was available; ie, explosives.

The Pentagon is 77 feet (23 meters) tall. Notice that the fireball in this image is perhaps 50% taller than the Pentagon. Since the fireball is a bright yellow at this large size, what did it look like when it was half this size? Why not release all of the video frames?

Perhaps the frames before this one showed the fireball glowing such a bright, bluish white that it looked like 10,000 people were arc welding at the same time!

The Arabs were incredible pilots

The Pentagon is a very large building, but it is low to the ground. The plane the Arabs were flying was more than half the height of the building. The easiest thing for the Arabs to do it would be to hit the top of the building while diving down at an angle.

However, we are told that the Arabs decided to hit the front of the building. More amazing, instead of hitting while diving down at an angle, we are told that they flew only inches above the ground to hit the ground floor of the building in a nearly horizontal manner.

There is a busy highway in front of the Pentagon, along with a railing, trees, and other objects. We are suppose to believe the Arabs flew only slightly above the cars along the highway. One witness claims that the airplane was so low that it knocked down a light post along the road.

To make this more absurd, after passing over the highway the Arabs had only a fraction of a second of flight time remaining, and in that brief time the Arabs dropped the plane even lower to a few millimeters above the grass.

The pilot’s view of the ground in a 757 is not very good. For the Arabs to fly so low was a tremendous achievement. Especially when traveling at 345 mph (555 km/hour), which is the speed the flight data recorder supposedly shows. (The Pentagon claims to have found the flight data recorder, but the other parts of the 100 ton airplane vanished. I can believe that!)

Furthermore, airplanes never fly in straight lines; rather, they roll and tilt. Therefore, flying only inches above the ground without crashing is a tremendous achievement for inexperienced pilots!

Do you realize that the 757 was behaving as if it was a cruise missile?

The Arabs certainly were nice guys!

The reports claim that the Arabs flew around the Pentagon a while before hitting the building. By coincidence, the section the Arabs chose to hit did not have many people in it, so casualties were much lower than if they had hit elsewhere. That particular section was being renovated, and the people who normally worked there had been sent to other offices.

The Pentagon is said to be the largest office building in the world, and the Arabs decided to hit the small section that was being renovated. What a coincidence that the Arabs did not hit Rumfeld’s office. What a coincidence that the Arabs did not hit a section of the building that was full of people.

Did the nice Arabs fly around the Pentagon a while in order to find the section with the least number of people in it?

How rapidly did the fireball expand?

The date and time is displayed in the lower left corner of the five frames of video that the Pentagon decided to let us see, although the time is incorrect by about 32 hours.

The time is shown only to the nearest second. I suspect the real video has IRIG time code recorded on an audio track, in which case the military could precisely identify each frame of video.

The first and second frames have identical times. The first frame shows the building before the plane hit. The second frame shows a fireball that is at least 50 percent taller than the pentagon. This means that within 1 second the plane crashed and a fireball grew to a height of at least 100 feet (33m).

If we could see the frames between those two we could estimate the rate at which the fireball expands. This would also let us determine whether the fireball was from jet fuel or an explosive. Jet fuel fireballs, as with automobile fireballs, do not expand very quickly. By comparison, the fireball from an explosive can expand at an enormous rate.

Why does the Pentagon allow us to see only five frames of video rather than the entire video? Note that the video of the planes hitting the World Trade Centers and the collapse of the towers were broadcast by American news reporters at least 2 million times during September in order to stimulate anger towards the Arabs. Why did they not broadcast the video of this plane crashing into the Pentagon at least 2 million times?

I think the Pentagon refuses to release the entire video because it would show a small missile flying close to the ground, and then it would show the fireball expanding at such an incredible rate that even the “ordinary” Americans would realize that it was from an explosive.

If the video proves that a 757 hit the building then the Pentagon officials are idiots for keeping the video a secret. They are also idiots for hiding the remains of the plane, the dead passengers, and the luggage. Their secrecy is allowing conspiracy rumors to run wild.

Do you think the Pentagon officials are so stupid as to hide proof of the 757? I doubt if any human is that stupid. I say their behavior is evidence that they are involved in this fake “Terrorist Attack On America”.

If it looks and acts like a bomb…

When an airplane crash has all the characteristics of a bomb, there is a good chance that it was a bomb.

I think a more sensible explanation for Flight 77 is that it never crashed into the Pentagon. Rather, the Pentagon fired a missile at the building, and they selected a section of the building that was being renovated in order to reduce deaths. I think they also set the missile to explode before it hit the building in order to reduce damage.

The plane that witnesses saw flying around the Pentagon may have been Flight 77, but that plane did not crash into the Pentagon.

What happened to Flight 77?

There were pieces of an airplane scattered around the Pennsylvania countryside. Everybody assumes that all of those pieces belong to Flight 93, but maybe Flight 77 crashed (or was shot down) over there, also.

This would explain why so many people are asking why the Flight 93 debris was scattered over many miles, as this site explains:
http://www.flight93crash.com/

Joe Vialls defends the Pentagon!

Joe Vialls tells us:

Forget the media hype about “Arab hijackers” because there were none on board any of the aircraft on 11 September.

Amazingly, a person who claims the planes were controlled by remote control is defending the Pentagon. Was he bribed or threatened? Or is he just a nutty guy? I don’t know, but I responded by writing an article in response to Joe Vialls:
Response to Vialls

If you never saw Joe’s site:
http://www.geocities.com/vialls/

Do you still believe the Arabs flew a 757 into the Pentagon?

Check out the photos at this site:
http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1003/news_1-1.html

On page 2 of that document is an image with the caption: “Damage visible in one of the open-air courtyards between building rings.” The article doesn’t identify the courtyard, but if it was one directly behind the crash site, the airplane did not penetrate it. That means the entire airplane compressed itself like an accordion in the outer ring.

The following document has a good image of the Pentagon and how the plane hit. Fortunately (for the Pentagon) the image does not show the highway, trees, or railings, nor how low the plane was to the ground. A more appropriate drawing would be a side view that shows a 757 only slightly above the cars, and how it then descended to only a few millimeters above the grass.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/pentagon_7.html

We Could Never Have Been Defeated From Without

Friday, August 14th, 2009

f-22tempAfter decades of waiting, and after the bulk of the expense necessary to develop both the B-2 and F-22 has long since been spent, these programs have now been cancelled at token procurement levels.

When war with the Chinese comes, the U.S. military will have but 80 or 90 available F-22s and, perhaps, 18 B-2s with which to suppress the massive Chinese air defense system.

All remaining U.S. aircraft — the legacy, or teen series, fighters and the F-35 — will not be able to operate in sufficient proximity to the Chinese S-300/400 air defense missile to pose a threat to that system. With the S-400 Triumf system operational, all U.S. air opera-tions will then remain at risk throughout the duration of any conflict with the Chinese.

Given China’s immense advantage in manpower and great depth in conventional armament, a secure airspace above these assets may portend a stalemate, at best, in any war between that nation and the U.S. The aftermath of such a standoff is the likely reduction of the U.S. military to the status of a second-rate power, a circumstance that will pave the way for strategic blackmail against the U.S. and its interests in the Pacific and, eventually, in the Western Hemisphere.

It is hard to imagine that these consequences escaped the authors of the F-22 program’s demise, circa July ’09.

This programmatic, premeditated build-down of our strategic capabilities should be called treason.

The cancellation of the F-22 is also timed to preempt any further efforts by the Japanese and Australians to buy the aircraft. The whole point is obviously to abort the Raptor, regardless of who is willing to pay for it.

Objections over the cost of the aircraft, which will, in time, be almost indistinguishable from that of the F-35, are only a ruse. The vital issue, now accomplished by our internationalist-dominated Federal Legislature and President, is the elimination of the F-22 from any future Pacific war zone.

All this is indicia of a globalist agenda to effect a power shift. The F-35 program, sold as a substitute for the F-22 and allegedly a much more intelligent investment because it is better for bombing Mujahedeen, may prove its greatest value as a slight-of-hand trick to cover this retrograde move in the quality of American airpower.

Lacking super-cruise capability, all-aspect stealth or a 60,000 ft. operating altitude, the F-35 is a “5th generation aircraft” only in terms of its sophisticated avionics suite, a set of marvels mostly related to its tactical bombing function. Its performance limitations and high wing loading mean it cannot disengage at will from even current threats such as the Sukhoi Su-30.

Do not buy the proposition, made by many defenders of the F-22′s axing, to the effect that sub-launched cruise missiles and unmanned air vehicles will handily suppress Chinese air defenses. The UCAV programs are not of the scale of a replacement fighter aircraft, and both the UCAV and the cruise missile depend on intact satellite communications… something the Chinese can reliably deny the U.S. in time of war.

f-22_raptor-Dale Williams

Related reading:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/07/a_good_day_for_the_chicoms.asp

This is also a very good day for the ChiComs: less for them to worry about, not only from us but from the Japanese (this pretty much kills export of F-22). And it is a big step in confirming the long-term decline of US defenses that the Obama budget/program represents. Even if much/most of his domestic program doesn’t make it, he’s begun locking in yet another decade of defense neglect.
There will soon be a crisis of American airpower: old F-15 and F-16s, aging F-18s and not enough of them to fill carrier decks, too few F-22s (that you’re going to be very reluctant to use) and late arriving (and limited) F-35s (and what’s the likelihood that F-35 goes forward according to plan?), plus a dinky and old bomber fleet. I haven’t worked out the numbers, but if you look forward 7-10 years, the picture has got to be very ugly.
But then again, since there are going to be no tankers, it doesn’t matter that there are no fighters.

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Originally Posted by Elbs View Post
I agree. The full capabilities of the F-22 has to be taken into concept. It’s more than a beast of an air superiority fighter. Like it’s mentioned, the newer Russian air defense systems are very long ranged and could place most of the USAF legacy SEAD platforms at risk, and they’re available to anyone with cash to blow.

I wouldn’t want to be the F-16 jock who has to fly into an S-400/S-300 threat envelope to fire a HARM down it’s throat. I believe it’d be much safer to kill or suppress that SAM with a long-range JDAM or an SDB with a folding-wing kit, dropped from an F-22.

I think we’re on the same page, have a look below

F-22 is still the champ

Posted by David A. Fulghum at 7/23/2009 3:07 PM CDT

Regardless of the vote in the Senate, “ The F-22 funding termination this week doesn’t change a thing [about the tactical advantages offered by the stealth fighter’s advanced systems] and I think history will bear out the F-22 advocates’ position when all the dust settles,” a senior U.S. Air Force intelligence officer tells Aviation Week.

“The F-35 [Joint Strike Fighter] is not an F-22 by a long shot,” he says. “There’s no way it’s going to penetrate Chinese Air Defenses if there’s ever a clash.”

The intelligence official was referring to the fact that penetrating the latest surface to air missile defenses is something only the F-22 can do. China and Russia have variants of the the S-300/400 family that includes the SA-20 which is being sold in Asia and the Middle East. The F-22 can stay ahead of SA-20 because it it flies about a half-mach faster, two-miles higher and has a smaller Radar Cross Section than the F-35.

CarolVS: The way that Gates is going after and killing off a lot of our long-term developments, you’d think he was working for China. Ending production of the F-22 now throws away the billions spent on development of this fighter — in the same way the billions spent on developing the B-2 were squandered when production was killed.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think development of the JSF was any less expensive than developing the F-22 and B-2, and as the unit price of the F-35 continues to climb towards the $100 million mark (eventually to pass it no doubt), to where there will be scant difference between it and the price of the F-22, I wonder what the REAL (read: political) reason is for so much effort on the part of the Obama admin to kill this plane that we have waited so long for.

Lt-Col A-Tack:

Myths Of The Raptor

Obama’s “victory” over the F-22.
by Reuben F. Johnson

07/27/2009 2:45:00 PM
Washington, D.C.

It is both painful and amusing to watch the crowing over this week’s vote by the Senate to delete $1.75 billion in funding for the continued production of the Lockheed-Martin F-22A Raptor. There are numerous parties in the Obama camp calling this a spectacular victory, but so far no one has outdone the Huffington Post. There the president was hailed as the second coming of Dwight Eisenhower, fighting against the military industrial complex and along with Secretary Gates, “break[ing] its back.”

f22-raptor-03The reality is not quite so dramatic. Michigan Senator Carl Levin, an opponent of the F-22 spending, said after last week’s vote that “the president really needed to win this vote, not just in terms of the merits of the F-22 issue itself, but in terms of the reform agenda.” In other words, this was a test of manhood between the White House and — well, anyone who got in their way.

By making the vote on the F-22 a symbol for “who is in charge” the debate has not only become irrelevant to the nation’s real defense requirements, it has also succeeded in propagating a number of myths that augur more bad policy when other defense procurement decisions have to be made further down the road.

Myth No. 1–Voting down funding for the Raptor was a blow against the “evil, military-industrial complex.”

Nothing could be further from the truth. Taking the F-22 out of play leaves the field wide open for
the other new-generation fighter that is in flight testing at the moment, the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF). The F-35 is the most expensive program in the history of the U.S. Defense Department. A smaller, single-engined, stealthy fighter, it is the foundation of U.S. international cooperation for the future. There are nine major partner nations on the program, plus other nations that are not involved in the development phase but will purchase the aircraft as “Security Cooperative Participants.”

No senior executive of the defense firms involved on the F-35 program would admit this, but the death of the F-22 is actually the best news they’ve had all year. Had the Raptor program continued on, several countries that have been pushing for the U.S. to overturn the Obey Amendment that bans the F-22′s sale abroad would have eventually prevailed and exports of the aircraft to Japan, South Korea, Australia and others would have been the next shoe to drop.

This would have likely led some of the F-35′s partners or prospective customers to leave the program and opt for an F-22 purchase instead, causing no end of unhappy repercussions. In the zero-sum game that is often the weapons buying business, the military-industrial complex has been handed a gift from the U.S. Congress because their customers now have no choice other than the F-35, which could be built in the thousands before the program is all over and done with.

Myth No. 2–The F-22 is a hugely expensive aircraft because defense contractors purposely are trying to gouge the taxpayer by making weapons that are unnecessarily overkill in terms of capability. The taxpayer won a victory when the Senate said no more would be built.

The F-22 has been an extremely expensive program to develop because its development has dragged on for so long. The original fly-off of YF-22 prototypes that selected the Raptor over the McDonnell-Douglas/Northrop YF-23 occurred in 1991. Development of the prototypes began long before this, so the F-22 has been in development for almost 20 years. This is largely due to the USAF customer selecting a prototype that required almost all of its major subsystems (i.e. radar, engines, avionics) to be developed specifically for this aircraft.

The USAF, in essence, selected an empty prototype — an “aerodynamic paint job,” as one U.S. aerospace analyst described it — and then said to the contractors “now go develop the aircraft.” The result has been a $32 billion bill. The $1.75 billion in funding the Senate Armed Services Committee was seeking to continue F-22 production represents about 5 percent of this R&D price tag. Saving such a (comparatively) paltry sum may make Senators feel noble, but it is virtually meaningless now. If Congress wanted to stop wasting taxpayer’s money on what they now say is an overly-expensive program they are more than a decade too late.

Myth No. 3–The 187 F-22s to be built represents the number that would be available for combat missions should the aircraft be placed in a conflict.

When you are talking about modern fighter aircraft you have to remember that there will always be a certain number used for training, a certain number used
for testing new weapons or on-board systems, a certain number being retrofitted with upgrades or refinements, and a certain number down for maintenance. When you subtract all of these, probably less than half of the 187 would be available at any given time for military operations.

In a major conflict such a small number of aircraft would be little more than a first day of the war silver bullet. With the developmental budget at $32 billion that is a very expensive bullet. This is not much of a return on the taxpayer’s investment, to say nothing of the fact that such a small force of fighters would fall into that famous category of “if they were sent there to fight there are not enough and if they were sent to die there are too many.”

Myth No. 4–It is good to cancel high-priced weapon systems like the F-22 because they are the reason for bloated defense budgets.

Big-ticket items like a high-technology fighters make an easy poster child for those that want to accuse the Pentagon of being the world’s greatest spendthrift. The truth is that you could cancel every single weapons program on the armed forces’ wish list and U.S. defense expenditures would still be sky-high. What represents the largest single cost in a time of major, multi-theatre, prolonged deployments are military personnel themselves. Payroll, benefits, medical, etc., are the lion’s share of the budget, and will continue to grow to become an even larger share.

In terms of whether the aircraft is value for money, the numbers speak for themselves. Some 25 of the F-22s produced to date have been declared defect-free by the USAF upon delivery. “For the first fifth-generation fighter aircraft in U.S. history — given the complexity of the aircraft, the twin-engine, thrust vectoring propulsion technology, the number of lines of computer code in the aircraft — this is a remarkable achievement,” said a Lockheed-Martin executive. “Given this accomplishment, it’s a disservice to the people who designed and built the aircraft to use the F-22 as a whipping boy for this conflict between Congress and the White House.”

Myth No. 5–The F-35 meets any and all conceivable technological challenges that might emerge in the next two decades.

The assertion has been made by SecDef Robert Gates that by 2020, 1,100 of the aircraft operated in the U.S. armed forces “will be the most advanced fifth-generation F-35s and F-22s. China, by contrast, is projected to have no fifth generation aircraft by 2020. And by 2025, the gap only widens. The U.S. will have approximately 1,700 of the most advanced fifth generation fighters versus a handful of comparable aircraft for the Chinese.”

The difficulty with this line of reasoning is that the Chinese are not the only players in this game. Russia also continues to develop its own fifth-generation fighter, the Sukhoi design bureau’s PAK-FA/T-50 project. The first model has already been delivered for validation on a structural test assembly stand. Moreover, the Sukhoi Su-35, described as a “fourth double plus-generation” aircraft is going into production soon, utilizing many of the fifth-generation T-50′s components and technologies in its configuration.

Fighter aircraft performance analysts have raised questions as to whether the single-engine F-35 can take on these more powerful twin-engined aircraft and consistently prevail. Furthermore, the Chinese program, which may be developed in conjunction with Russia, stands every chance of being deployed earlier than Secretary Gate’s predictions.

Finally, the F-22 was designed to replace the Boeing F-15 Eagle and become the upper tier of the U.S. Air Force’s long-standing force mix of a heavy (F-15 to be replaced by the F-22) and light/medium (F-16 to be replaced by F-35) fighter aircraft. The small numbers of F-22s to be built will not be nearly enough to fill in for all of the F-15s currently in service. The future seems to be one in which a small number of F-22s will have to be supported by an aging inventory of F-15s. Keeping these older aircraft still in operation past their intended service life is going to be another increasing expense.

Add up all the real-world facts and there does not seem to be much of a victory here for any one–the possible exception being those nations who are planning to do battle with the U.S. in the future and will now face a mere token force of F-22s. The decision not to continue F-22 production might be justified on other grounds, but this week’s vote has been based on a set of false assumptions and creates a false sense of economy. The future of U.S. combat airpower is much too serious a business for it to be held hostage to this manner of legislative myth-making.

Reuben F. Johnson is a frequent contributor to THE WEEKLY STANDARD Online.

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